- Interview from spring 2004 for Tommys zine from
Russia (not published yet.)
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- 1] OK, may be first tell
us when & how have you got involved in the punk?
- It was back in 1988/89.
Before I was a big metal-head, but as I began to look for something more
extreme, faster and louder musically, I just naturally discovered the punk
rock. Back then in the communist dictatorship times the good rock music in
Czechoslovakia was in the “underground” and had a feeling of some alternative
and opposition against the regime, so this was also very appealing. In my
hometown Brno there was very strong opposition/dissent movement and some
cultural activities were connected to it – nonconformist rock bands, theatres
etc. My mother worked for the theatre, which was back then very well known for
its alternative and critical towards the system performances, so I was very
closed to this environment since I was cca 12-13 years old. In May 1989 my
mother took me to Prague where she had to sort something out in some youth
club and in the same evening ZONA A {fucking great Slovakian punk rock band}
played – this was total blast for me and I got hooked to punk rock. Slowly I
started to get all the demo and live recordings of Czechoslovakian punk bands,
I also bought the one and only official Czechoslovakian punk record – VISACI
ZAMEK 7” and I started to attend the rare punk gigs in Brno with couple of
friends. Of course that after the November 89 revolution it became so easy to
be into punk rock and hardcore as there was also a big revolution in music –
almost everybody started to play, the older bands who were banned during
communist times started to release records, there were hundreds of gigs and
the feeling of total freedom was also very cool… and very short. I started my
first punk band in the beginning of 1990 while attending high school and
somewhat I still play till today.
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- 2] Tell us about your
zine “Hluboka Orba”. Your achievements as a zinester? Are you still active
with that?
- I started it in summer 1993
so last year there was the 10 years anniversary of the zine {w/issue 24
released}. But I was involved in zine-making already before, here in Brno
there was a collective of punks, which did zine and organized several
demonstrations and other street actions together in early 90’s and I was
involved there too. Through all these years H.O. zine became probably longest
running Czech zine and also the zine with biggest press run {1.000 copies of
last issue}. It is written in Czech language, comes out 1-2x in year, it’s
pretty thick and I try to do my best to mix the hardcore/punk music from all
the different parts of the world {not only the hyped US/UK stuff – fuck the
cultural imperialism!} and politics. I think that the zine is still very D.I.Y.,
there’s no major label crap and I even don’t review CD’s {I want to support
vinyls and tapes only as the truest punk formats – at least in my opinion}. I
like to have really long and in-depth interviews in the zine, some of the
bands/labels/people I interviewed in H.O. were for example CAPITALIST
CASUALTIES, EBOLA {uk}, Pablo/Strongly Opposed Records, NULA, CRIPPLE
BASTARDS, DISCLOSE, SPAZZ, AGATHOCLES, DS 13, SEEIN RED, ORCHID, Mike
Thorn/Maximum RockNRoll, Ken/Prank Records, Fred/Darbouka Records, DISORDER
and many, many more. As you can see, I am more interested in fast/raw kind of
hardcore/punk. There were also articles about veganism, A.L.F., anti-smoking,
Zapatistas, anti-globalisation movement {reprinted interviews with Chomsky,
Biafra etc.} printed. I also like to write a lot about my travels – like the
various tours around Europe with my bands {MRTVA BUDOUCNOST before, SEE YOU IN
HELL today} or my own travel experiences – in 2003 I was in California and
just recently I visited Japan and in both places I met lots of punx, saw many
shows, bought tons of records and had some excellent times, so this is always
a good topic to write about. Now, when I became a father, I have a little less
time than before, I hope that I will be able to put out one issue per year. By
the way, if there are some cool Russian hardcore/punk bands with demo-tape
releases, make sure to send me a copy for review!
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- 3] What can you advise
for the beginners?
- Just do everything to
satisfy yourself first – you should be the first one who is satisfied with the
product you have choose to make, be it zine or band. Otherwise it is
senseless. But in the same time make sure to strive for the best quality,
don’t be a slacker, don’t rip the other people off along the way and be
honest. And be yourself – don’t listen up to somebody’s else’s commands.
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- 4] Why did you stopped
making “Hluboka Orba”?
- I haven’t stopped it yet.
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5] What keeps you sane in a current political climate? Do
you thrown any stone into cops?
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Well… I used to do some stone throwing on cops and nazis
back in mid 90’s but it wasn’t here in Czech, but in Germany, where I used to
go to infamous 1st May demonstrations/riots in Berlin and Leipzig.
But this was long time ago. I think that it’s important to realize which
things you can change by yourself and which are unable to change in short
period. I work for social-ecological organization, which I started with some
friends in 1997 and we lead different campaigns in environmental and human
rights protection field. For example we try to fight the expansion of big
shopping malls {hypermarkets}, we have some smaller local issues – mostly with
transport {like against new motorway building or promoting the public and
bicycle transport}, we have campaign against the export of arms from Czech
Republic. We also help the Chechnya refugees and in the past we did many
actions against the war in Chechnya and Russian occupation. The most radical
was throwing the red paint on Russian consulate building here in Brno few
years ago – 4 people from our organization were prosecuted by it and sentenced
to 100 hours of community work. These are the kind of activities which keep me
sane – it’s important to deal with both local and global issues and also to
try to change your own life-style {like being vegetarian/vegan, boycotting the
worst multinational companies, recycle etc.}.
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6] OK. What about “Mrtva Budouchnost”? Why it splitted up?
What’s the difference between “MB” and “See you in hell”?
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MRTVA BUDOUCNOST played from 1994 till 2000 and in the end
we became a bit tired by it, so we decided to split up on peaceful terms. It’s
great that almost all the band-members of M.B. still play in different bands.
Marsta {voc} sings for grindcore band called LYCANTHROPHY {they have many
releases out, check out
www.lycanthrophy.wz.cz}, 2nd singer Rosi has band called MY
DEAD CAT {emo}, bass player Marek now plays guitar for FESTA DESPERATO {great
band from Brno, we share the same rehearsal room and play often together, they
play raw punk/noise influenced by old Finnish bands like RIISTETYT or KAAOS},
the drummer Chico organizes shows in his Znojmo hometown and he used to played
in fun-project of SYIH called TUZEX, which played cover-songs of old
Czechoslovakian punk bands exclusively. Another ex-singer Korda is doing ska
zine called Banana… The difference between M.B. and SEE YOU IN HELL – the
first recordings of SYIH were kind of complicated screaming hardcore with
touch of metal, but when we changed the drummer in 2002 we started to sound
more and more like M.B. MRTVA BUDOUCNOST was just super-fast extreme HC
slaughter with almost no slow parts and when we started SYIH in 1999 we wanted
to sound a bit differently. But as the years went we sound faster/rawer and
today is our sound in total crusty/thrash/Jap HC vein. Check out our LP, which
will be out during this summer on Insane Society and Ultima Ratio Records.
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7] Can you describe “See you in hell” as a political band?
Why?
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I am not sure how do you define “political band”. We
certainly don’t promote any specific ideology and we don’t pretend to have all
the answers for every political issue in the world. Being little older than
the average hardcore/punk listener {most of band members are in their late
20’s or early 30’s} I would say that we have seen too much so radical bands,
which later turned out into apolitical assholes, into totally conformist
apathetical citizens or into total drunks, that we are maybe a little bit
skeptical to describe ourselves like this. I think that we are pretty
political in the way how do we run the band – in totally DIY way, playing only
small shows, working only with small labels and people we know. We don’t try
to break into mainstream, we don’t want to see our band in some glossy rock
magazines, in TV or radio – like so many other so called “hardcore/punk” bands
in Czech today. I find it always funny when so many “radicals” or “anarchists”
defend crap like CHUMBAWAMBA – I thought that being radical and
anti-capitalist is about rejecting this fucked up system and with musical
business being one of the biggest part of the capitalist machine {I think it
is most profitable one just after arms and drug trade} it seems to me just
logical that these people would look for some real alternative also in music.
It’s funny to hear how do they play CHUMBAWAMBA’s music even in casinos here…
fucking funny.
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8] What do you wanna say by your lyrics?
- Most of our lyrics deals
with issues like control in this society, frustrations from being unable to
change anything, the power to go on and never give up, the technology fucking
us up, frustrations from relationships and never reaching your dreams etc.
They are not very optimistical.
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- 9] What has been changed
in “See you in hell” since time you’ve started playing in your opinion?
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As I already said, the music has changed a lot along with
line-up. Other than that the band still works in the same way. Once in a year
we do some longer {2 weeks} tour abroad, we play often around Czech and here
in Brno, we put out some new release every year. I would say we all love this
DIY hardcore/punk thing and I don’t think we will stop any time soon.
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- 10] What was the biggest
problem the band has met?
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Some fucked up relationships with ex-band members, but this
is sorted out for some time already and now we are really good friends in the
band, so everything is OK.
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- 11] Please, tell us
something about Czech scene? Could you mention some bands, labels, zines of
checking out?
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I think that Czech hardcore/punk scene is totally great –
there are like 20-30 really good ass-kicking bands, most of them have some
releases out, make sure to check them out! I would mention just few of them:
GRIDE {extreme HC/grind}, HOMO CONSUMENS {raw punk like MOB 47/WRETCHED},
CO-CA {punk as fuck like DEAD KENNEDYS or SUBHUMANS}, AD CALENDAS GRAECAS {raw
punk as fuck with 100% of energy}, MALIGNANT TUMOUR {heavy crust/mince core},
MASSGENOCIDE PROCESS {crust as fuck}, FESTA DESPERATO {raw punk terror},
BALACLAVA {positive and powerful HC}, LAHAR {extreme HC}, SPACE TO BEING
{extreme HC}, SICHERHATE SYSTEM {raw punk}, V.I.R. {heavy crust/industrial},
ZEMEZLUC {punk rock veterans}, V.V.B. {political hip-hop punk}, INNOXIA
CORPORA {powerful punk} etc. Make sure to Czech out the “Dying Alive/Living
Dead” comp. LP/tape, which I put together and which was released in
cooperation of cca 10 labels in summer 2003. It has 12 Czech raw HC bands and
60 pages booklet with detailed history of Czech scene from 1977 till 2003
written in English and with tons of photos!
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We have also some good gig spaces – like the DIY-run club
called VRAH in Roznov pod Radhostem {north-east part of country} which has
pretty active scene around it {CO-CA, Malarie Records, V.V.B.}, Yacht Club
here in Brno or Milada squat and 007 Club in Prague. There are many {recently
TOO many foreign bands touring Czech} all the time. Best labels are in my
opinion Insane Society Records, Ultima Ratio Records, Impregnate Records,
Malarie Records, Day After Records, Phobia Records… Sadly there are not too
many interesting zines in last years. Check out the
www.czechcore.cz website for more info about the scene in Czech, even
there’s always lots of crap and unbelievably moronic discussions all the time
in the message boards. But you can find some useful contacts there and also
the best info about gigs in Czech and Slovakia.
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- 12] What D.I.Y. ethics
mean to you? Would you for example put out your stuff on such labels like
“Earache”?
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DIY means keeping the punk in the hands of punks and not
businessmen. For me this is the only way music has any authenticity. Simply
said. Yes, I would put out our record on Earache. In 1986.
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- 13] Your revelation of
2003.
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???
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14] OK, next one is a kind of word-play. I’m gonna throw
some things at you and you gotta say the first thing that comes into your
head, OK?
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Well, I don’t like to speak in slogans and short phrases,
so I will probably write a little bit more about each topic…sorry!
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a) European Union
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Just yesterday Czech Rep. joined it. A clever plot how to
make multinational companies richer and strong states in EU stronger. Of
course that Czech Rep. being the new state in EU has all the disadvantages –
we can’t work for next few years in Western states legally {of course that
people from these states can work in Czech}, there are still borders and
border controls etc.
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b) Czech beer
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I used to be straight edge, I drink now, but I don’t like
beer. Cheap home-made spirit rules.
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c) Gun-possession
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I don’t have big problem with it as long as there are some
regulations and exams for the people who want to own them. In the end the
criminals and mafias can always find the way how to get the weapons so I think
that the rest of the society should have the right to get armed as well.
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d) “Napalm Death”
- My teenage love… I was
blown away by “Scum” and “From Enslavement…” LPs period, but starting with
“Harmony Corruption” I totally lost any interest as they became just an
average death metal band. Few months ago they played here in Brno, just few
streets away from my flat, so after much thinking I decided to go to see them
for the first time in my life. I was almost sure that they will suck… and
well… they sucked. I keep their old records and videos, but they should have
really split up after Bill and Lee left the band.
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e) soft drugs like hemp
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I don’t like it, but I am 100% for its legalization. It’s
just sad to see so many young people getting stoned every time and fucking up
their minds with this. But it’s their choice.
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f) the NATO
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MALIGNANT TUMOUR has one famous song called “Fuck The
NATO”. I couldn’t put it better.
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g) Brno squats
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This is a good joke – have you ever heard about any? Then
let me know. There was a really short-time lived squat in Brno back in 1997,
which existed for cca 2-3 months and then was very violently evicted by cops.
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h) Violence of cops
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I have never heard about it. I think they are always right!
hahaha
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i) George Orwell’s “1984”
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One of my fave books. Lots of SYIH’s and MB’s lyrics are
influenced by this and also by the other Orwell’s books.
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j) Animal Liberation Front
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Some direct actions {when they liberate animals from
laboratories etc.} are totally OK.
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15] OK, when are you gonna play with “See you in hell” in
Russia?
- Haha… this is a good
question! Well, I think that at first we should be a little better known in
your country before even thinking about coming to play to Russia. We play
since 1999 and our split 7” with THE PUBLIC was co-released by our friend
Sharapov from St. Petersburg, but still I think that we are not known at all –
maybe MRTVA BUDOUCNOST is, but not SEE YOU IN HELL. We would definitely like
to release a tape on some honest and reliable DIY label in Russia! The other
thing is, that I am not totally sure how difficult or easy it is to set up few
gigs for foreign band in your country. I can imagine that it must be
super-difficult to get any decent space for shows {maybe it is possible to do
it in Moscow or St. Peterburg, but I am really not sure about the rest of the
country}. Also we are no rock-stars, but we like to get at least food,
sleeping places + 100 EU for gig for gas and van rental and I am afraid that
it is still too much in ex-USSR countries. Our friends PAZI SNAJPER tried to
tour Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia in the autumn 2002 and they told us that it
was very difficult – sometimes they got no money or food at all and sometimes
there were like 15 or 20 people only attending the gigs. I personally don’t
know so many foreign bands, which would be so brave to tour ex-USSR countries
incl. Russia… I know that M.D.C. did it in early 90s, that DETESTATION and OI
POLLOI played in Estonia, maybe some Finnish bands as well… Also I got the
impression that it’s mostly street punk/oi and NYHC styles, which are very
popular in your country, and we definitely don’t sound like this – we are much
faster and noisier, haha… Don’t get me wrong, we would definitely like to
come, but we would like to be sure that it will work out OK. Here in Czech it
was also in the early 90s pretty difficult to set up tours for foreign bands –
there were no stable places and nobody had the experiences how to do it, also
the financial situation wasn’t the best. But today is the Czech Republic one
of the favorite destinations of foreign bands when they tour Europe and
sometimes there are so many gigs that people loose the interest. I am sure
that in the near future it will be very similar in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine
etc. – the hardcore/punk has no boundaries and I am sure there is still lots
of energy and power in these countries HC/punk scenes – because it is still
something fresh and unique for the people in your part of the world, while in
the West are people sometimes a bit bored and spoiled by hardcore/punk,
because everything is so easy for them {they can buy the punk music and
clothes in supermarkets, they can watch the bands in MTV etc. – fuck it!}.
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16] Last words, comments, whatever…
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Fuck, I can imagine how difficult it has to be in Russia
with any DIY punk or radical political activities… I distribute the Abolishing
The Borders From Below magazine, which deals with anarchist activities in
ex-East Bloc countries and some of the articles from Russia reads like sci-fi
or even like horror…
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If there are any bands playing fastcore, raw punk, crust or
some other cool sub-genre of punk {NO emo, NYHC, metal pop punk etc.!}, then
please get in touch, we can trade tapes. I love GRAZHDANSKAJA OBORONA – their
80s stuff, lets trade records!
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Thanx a lot for this interview Tom, good luck with the zine!
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